More than likely you are just privileged. First off the reg says regularly assigned personnel, which the Cadets are not. The smart ones find a good NCO to mentor them. Its like my father (retired CW3) taught me; " I don't have to respect you but I HAVE TO RESPECT your rank.". As others have commented, folks should remember that those Cadets that you give a hard time to will in a short time become those officers that are in charge of writing your NCOERs never mind the fact that they also will be your leaders when deployed in a combat zone ( I served in the 1st Cav Div during Desert Shield and Storm), in other words garbage in equals garbage out. Aside from his many deployments, Dean also went through some of the toughest training in the military, to include Special Forces Qualification, Army Ranger School, Army Air Assault School,. Pursue a bachelors degree and earn your commission as an Officer by attending the countrys most prestigious military service college. It was advanced pay so to speak. (I was going through a few operations connected to wound recovery). Army-Navy Uniforms 2022: 1st Armored Division 2021: Special Forces Command 2020: 25th Infantry Division 2019: 1st Cavalry Division 2018: 1st Infantry Division 2017: 10th Mountain Division 2016: 82nd Airborne Division Go Army! Yes I have seen a misguided ROTC cadet DEMAND a salute from an E-9 once. The February 24, 2022 invasion of Ukraine resulted in news reports of fear in the streets of Kyiv as Ukrainian forces engaged in " a frantic hunt for spies and traitors ," as well as saboteurs and teams seeking to kill President Zelensky and 23 other leaders within Ukraine. I pray that you are only a LT yourself. The ones that get emotional about my post will reply as expected and miss the lesson altogether because they've been hard wired to respond that way. Plain and simple, I want to be the best and I will do anything, inside my own morals, to get there. At the time the pipeline for commissioned officers in the Air Force was ROTC, OCS, Aviation Cadets, and the new USAF Academy whose first class graduated circa 1958. Who ever thinks about crawling for 24 hours, ten feet per hour, just to get to the hide, then lie there for 36 more hours, doing absolutely nothing but remaining still and scanning for an anomoly, pissing into the ground where you're lying, waiting for that ten second opportunity? But Im sure he felt stung just a little bit. In those days once a month you went before the pay officer and received your pay in cash. Working as a deputy or person number 2 is always a difficult task. They are TDY for a few weeks therefore their authority only extends to West Point. Medical issues can hold up the selection process for 1. Imagine that, good ol Top didnt read the entire regulation, only the part that suited his narrativeshocked. The NCO referred me to AR 600-20, Army Command Policy, which makes it pretty clear that West Point cadets do, in fact, outrank Army NCOs. I was surprised at the gate when I was saluted by the gate personnel. Does the cadet have offiCial orders? You must log in or register to reply here. . (Tribune News Service) Army West Point football players will honor the special forces soldiers who helped liberate Afghanistan from Al-Qaeda with the. Be safe out there, use the "recon by fire" method if probing a road and drop to the ground when a frag is near you, the explosion goes up and away. I chose Engineer with the full intent of going to Special Forces at some later point. If you want to be an medic, enlist as one. Only the pay grade the cadet holds. Fernando Lujan is an Army special forces officer and former assistant professor of politics at West Point. I think that it would be a huge step in the right direction for the ROTC BNs to send their CDTs to their gaining units with an LOI/MOU pinned to their chest (Im sure ROTC has probably published guidance along those lines, but Ive never seen it) so that those commanders will have some idea what to do with those CDTs when they get there. I'm laughing as I remember when our sniper team took out 16 combatants at one road intersection in Falujah, Iraqi's have an average IQ of 70 so they aren't the brightest candle on the cake, lol. Read the regs CAREFULLY people, when you want to use them to make a point. For some reason a lot of angry major S3 types fall into this category. $100-300. 2-8. He has much humility and respect for all who serve and served so he will appreciate your words. Everyone knows that the lowest Army private outranks the highest cadet right? So glad I longer serve. The cadet would still have to be "Regularly Assigned". They're inchoate officers. -If you are a Soldier and you are still carrying around the trash attitude of the "good ole' days", it is most likely time for you to go. ROTC cadets do too. And if you think islam is a warm and fuzzy religion, you're way off! Something I wish I knew 50 years ago. As corny as this will sound, the feelings related in the film An Officer and a Gentleman at the end were pretty accurate. I am a cadet and am military police and drill with them as well. I answered honestly saying that I do not believe that I am supposed to render him a salute but that I am willing to accompany him to Military Police HQ to find out . She hails from Easton, Pennsylvaniabest known as the home of Crayola crayons. Gold - Gold as in the Class Rings received cadet's senior year, or like the plentiful Brass found on the cadet uniform and the rank/insignia patches worn by upperclassmen designating their cadet rank and position. I practice it for all things because that was my mom golden rule from childhood to yesterday (dementia stole her from me). Is anyone able to give me a solid answer to this question? To this day I credit a lot of the success I had when I went on active duty after I graduated to this great NCO. It was never the SNCOs, it was always a SSG, SGT, or junior enlisted Soldier disrespecting these cadets (myself included). come from many NCO's who claim that "NCO's are the backbone of the Army". Officers, commissioned warrant officers, midshipmen, cadets, candidates are all affordedofficer status. United States Military Academy, byname West Point Academy, institution of higher education for the training of commissioned officers for the United States Army. In the military, XO refers to a second-in-command officer, or more generally, an executive officer.The XO typically reports to the commanding officer, who also goes by the names the first lieutenant and the number one. I learned something that day. CYS Open Gym. Youre right, Sergeant, a West Point cadet DOES outrank you. Thread Special Forces. We were enlisted in the Air Force for a two year enlistment. They aren't commissioned though, depending on the service, they are somewhere around a W1. I was recently in a conversation with a senior noncommissioned officer in an elite US Army unit, when the subject of CTLT came up. A little background: I received my commission as a 2LT in May 1987 after spending two years in the SMP where I was enrolled as a senior ROTC Cadet (MSIII and MSIV) while serving simultaneously in a National Guard Unit. So yes, a West Point cadet DOES outrank a sergeant. West Point Admissions Requirements and Deadlines. Adept been officially assigned a position in the chain of command? 99.9% waiting, 0.1% trigger pulling. Payback is one reason to avoid it. As far as I know there are no CTLT positions in combat zones. You know this, you are assigned as whatever rank you have in the guard. If you salute a cadet, who is not a commissioned officer you would be making the entire "First Salute" ceremony asinine if cadets had been entitled to salutes the entire time. Visiting West Point Alma Mater/Songs Army-Air Force Series Army-Navy Star Series presented by USAA The Patriot League Jesus.. 7:30 pm - 10 pm. Take sniping. Somebody at USMA needs to ensure cadets are informed about their precedence in the order of ranks and teach them that while they are at AOT/CLTC, etc. Without these people, "How do you become "ELite"! Night Light Snowshoe. Most of us own our own firearms and body armor because we assume nothing but pray for the best. Allow them to lead you too! I am acting PL of my platoon because we dont have a 2LT. We need not be concerned about the proviso of either 2-15 or 2-16 as each applies to a Soldier under certain sanctions of discipline. We only go to attention for officers. Transition from civilian life to military life with Basic Training, Introduction to Warfighting, and academic courses including English, math, military science, and more. Specifically, it allows them to try their hands at officership, and to get a feel for the kinds of officer/NCO relationships that are essential to the success of our Army. We get people whose ideals are from left field and seem to think the Army is their play ground. It can be a very valuable and rewarding experience if done right and an unfortunate waste of time for the CDT and unit if its not. For example, is it a school then a tour, then a school, or can you do multiple school at a time? Yet I would not want a Year 1 WP cadet in charge of a company. I think not. Comments will be moderated before posting to ensure logical, professional, and courteous application to article content. IQ averages are around 120 for most Grunts and for those that don't track demographics, that's a huge jump from national averages. It is a chain of command situation. Abigail is a former Center for a New American Security Shawn Brimley Next Generation National Security Leaders fellow and a former Young Professionals in Foreign Policy fellow, and serves on the board of directors for HillVets Foundation. While it might be fun to haze the new margarine bar (he hasnt even worked his way up to butter bar yet), is that really the impression you want him taking with you when he gets commissioned and reports to his first unit? Without our outstanding NCO Corps counterparts, there would be no outstanding officers. Prior to his service in Special Forces, Sam served as an Infantry Platoon Leader and Infantry Reconnaissance Platoon Leader, including one deployment to Kunar Province, Afghanistan. I spent 3 years as a MSG and never saluted a cadet. At the end of all that, they want a LIEUTENANT, not a medic. I'm popping into the conversation late, but I completely agree (not that you can argue with the regs). Some in the media and NGOs were quick to claim . Answer (1 of 2): Infantry officers that are West Point grads and have Airborne and Ranger school completed usually all get selected after completing SFAS.